The U.S. and China are locked in a battle of words over trade that has already resulted in announcements of several new tariffs on products from both countries. The tariffs have clearly shaken investors, causing markets to swing wildly in recent days.
But how much could tariffs affect U.S. imports and exports? And which businesses are most likely to get hurt?
The trade deficit between the U.S. and China has gradually widened in recent years. In 2017, the U.S. imported $504 billion worth of goods from China, while China imported $130 billion from the U.S. President Trump argues that the growing deficit shows how China is unfairly restricting U.S. exports while boosting domestic producers. A trade deficit isn’t a bad thing in and of itself, economists argue. But there is a robust debate over whether the China is “taking advantage” of the U.S. with its trade laws and subsidies for domestic companies.
The trade battle has escalated since President Trump announced steel tariffs in March. China retaliated to those tariffs with its own duties, and the resulting back and forth resulted in announced tariffs on $50 billion worth of goods on both sides. Late on Thursday, Trump also directed the U.S. trade representative to identify $100 billion more in potential tariffs on Chinese goods.
The two countries sell different products to each other, so the tariffs would affect an array of industries.
Only a select group of products are expected to be affected by the tariffs on each side, at least so far.
Several major companies could be impacted by the tariffs, which could result in higher prices and otherwise reshuffle markets.
**Barron’s obtained the lists of targeted products published by the Trump administration and the Chinese government, then matched the product codes to the 2017 U.S.-China trade data to get an estimate of affected value by sector. The numbers for targeted U.S. goods are approximate because of the slightly different codes used by China in its list, but they are generally representative.
With each provocative tweet aimed at China from the president-elect, David Vered worries about a trade war that would hurt profits at his Los Angeles jeans company.
All the denim Vered buys for his brand, YMI Jeans, comes from Chinese factories, which have come to dominate the industry because of China’s abundance of affordable labor, capital and lax environmental laws. Those same conditions help make China the world’s top producer of all manner of manufactured goods such as cellphones, furniture, rubber boots and even Christmas lights. It’s difficult for foreign companies to source supplies from anywhere else and stay competitive.
“It would be disastrous,” Vered, who remains a Donald Trump supporter, said of a trade war. “China is the whole production line. It would be very, very difficult for us.”
Across California, companies reliant on Chinese factories and suppliers are mulling over what it means if the incoming Trump administration makes good on threats to slap new tariffs on Chinese goods. The president-elect and his surrogates have floated the idea of import taxes as high as 45% and as low as 5% to punish China for undervaluing its currency — a charge many economists say is outdated.
Should the trade relationship with China sour, no state would feel the disruption more than California.
About $143.6 billion in goods from China were shipped to the Golden State in 2015, according to the latest full-year census data. That’s three-and-half times more than second-place Texas.
Meanwhile, the threat of retaliation from China looms large for state exporters. California sold about $14.3 billion in goods to China in 2015 — second only to Washington state’s $19.4 billion.
The high trade volume helps keep more than 30,000 workers employed at the Port of Los Angeles, where 6 of every 10 containers arrive from China. And the raw materials and finished products that pour in ensure California companies such as Apple and Intel remain among the most profitable brands in the world.
“California has more to lose because we are the gateway to the U.S.” for Asian exporters, said Sung Won Sohn, an economist at Cal State Channel Islands. “This is where the infrastructure, connections and merchants are.”
The state also boasts the nation’s largest manufacturing base, employing about 10% of all U.S. factory workers, according to the U.S. Department of Labor. Most of those jobs are in high-value sectors like computers, chemicals and aerospace — industries that can more easily absorb California’s higher wages, expensive real estate and stricter regulations than producers of, say, garments or toys. Still, many companies that choose to manufacture in California rely on components and raw materials from China.
All signs point to a more adversarial relationship between Beijing and Washington once Trump assumes the White House. Trump, who nearly threw the “one China” policy into disarray last month, during the presidential campaign ran as a champion of displaced working-class Americans who believe they’ve been marginalized by globalization and Chinese mercantilist policies.
Trump has promised to bring jobs back to the U.S. and slash America’s trade deficit with China, which hit a record $367 billion in 2015.
One of Trump’s long-stated solutions for lost jobs and China has been to impose tariffs, much like President Reagan did with Japanese cars (a move that helped U.S. automakers but raised prices for American consumers).
“I’m totally open to a tariff if they don’t treat us fairly,” Trump said during a GOP primary debate last year. “Their whole trade thing is tariff. You can’t deal in China without tariff. They do it to us, we don’t do it. It’s not fair trade.”
Trump has kept the pressure on since being elected, mostly over Twitter, where he’s fired hundreds of barbs at China over the years.
“China has been taking out massive amounts of money & wealth from the U.S. in totally one-sided trade, but won’t help with North Korea. Nice!” Trump tweeted Monday.
The challenge isn’t about how to get jobs back, but how to prepare jobs for the future.
On Tuesday, Trump picked Robert Lighthizer to be his U.S. trade representative. The lawyer and former trade official during the Reagan presidency has spent years arguing for tariffs on foreign goods. He joins a host of aides and appointees to the incoming administration, such as UC Irvine economist Peter Navarro, who favor a decidedly confrontational approach to Beijing.
California “gets an advantage by simply facilitating the flow of illegally subsidized goods into the country,” Navarro, who was tapped to head the newly created National Trade Council and wrote a book called “Death By China,” told The Times last year. “We are unique in that we are the gateway for the disease, and people make money off of that.”
It remains unclear how much blame to assign China for the loss of American factory jobs, which peaked at 19 million in 1979 before falling to about 12 million today. A study by Ball State University’s Center for Business and Economic Research in 2015 found that 88% of lost manufacturing jobs were due to efficiencies such as automation and robots.
It’s also debatable what, exactly, a trade deficit says about a nation’s economy. Some economists note that the U.S. economy thrives when it runs a trade imbalance.
“The challenge isn’t about how to get jobs back, but how to prepare jobs for the future,” said Patrick Chovanec, chief strategist for Silvercrest Asset Management.
“The story of the U.S. economy has always been about creative destruction,” he said, referring to the capitalistic theory that new production methods always replace old ones. “The question is how to facilitate that in a way that’s humane and productive.”
Moreover, many economists say the merits of using tariffs are overstated. They say a tax on imports could blunt some Chinese exports, but would also make consumer goods in the U.S. more expensive — a shift that would disproportionately hurt the working class.
In 2009, President Obama slapped a 35% tariff on Chinese tires. The move saved up to 1,200 U.S. jobs, but it also resulted in Americans paying an additional $1.1 billion on more expensive tires, according to a study by the Peterson Institute for International Economics.
It’s also no guarantee that tariffs on Chinese goods would result in more U.S. manufacturing activity — not when developing nations such as Vietnam, Cambodia and Mexico have spent years building a case as viable alternatives to China for production.
“Tariffs on imports from China will not serve as a magic wand that brings back lost jobs,” said Eswar Prasad, an economist at Cornell University who formerly headed the International Monetary Fund’s China division. “Rather, such tariffs could end up inflicting collateral damage on U.S. businesses and hurting job growth in companies that have built international supply chains.”
Among the biggest sectors to have done this is the tech industry, which relies on countries across Asia to build its hardware. Apple can afford to build its high-end desktop computers in the U.S. because they are an expensive, niche product. But the equation changes when it comes to the iPhone, which accounts for about 60% of the company’s sales. Making the device in the U.S. requires access to tens of thousands of vocation school-trained workers at a single plant. In addition to higher labor expenses, Apple would have to pay for the added costs of importing parts across the Pacific such as processors from South Korea, cameras from Japan and rare-earth minerals from China. Building that supply chain from scratch could take years.
The same problem applies to smaller companies and products that aren’t as high-tech. Bruce Gifford, chief executive of the Santa Monica- and New York-based 360 Sweater, said it would be impossible to produce in the U.S. the sweaters he sells at stores including Nordstrom and Bloomingdales.
“We don’t have the knitting equipment here,” said Gifford, who employs about 40 people. “For the most part, there’s no sweater production left in the U.S. anymore because there’s no sweater machines or ancillary products like the right washing machines, driers, presses or yarn suppliers.”
The company would have little recourse other than to pass the higher costs onto consumers if Chinese imports were slapped with a new tariff. Almost all the world’s cashmere comes from China’s arid northern and western frontier provinces where cashmere wool goats thrive. Ultimately, Gifford hopes Trump’s tough talk on China is nothing more than residual campaign rhetoric.
“I just can’t imagine the tariffs are anything more than a threat,” he said. “It’s to put China on notice.”
david.pierson@latimes.com
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The Deep State Is Preparing Their CHECKMATE MoveYou Must Be Ready
Michael SnyderJune 19th, 2018The Economic CollapseComments (57)
This report was originally published by Michael Snyder at The Economic Collapse
Can the global financial system handle a full-blown trade war between the two largest economies on the entire planet? We have never seen anything like this happen in the modern age, and this is creating a tremendous amount of uncertainty for the financial markets. Yes, something had to be done, and I have been writing about this for years. China has been stealing our intellectual property, manipulating currency rates and slapping high tariffs on American goods. We simply could not allow China to continue to take advantage of us, but now we are so dependent on the Chinese that a trade war with them is going to inevitably produce a great deal of pain. We are all going to wish that another way could have been found to resolve this crisis, because in the short-term this is definitely going to hurt the U.S. economy. And if President Trump chooses to press forward with trade wars against Europe, Canada and Mexico at the same time as well, the pain for our economy is going to be off the charts.
Most Americans didn’t even notice, but Donald Trump fired a shot that was very clearly heard all the way over in China on Friday when he slapped a tariff of 25 percent on 50 billion dollars worth of Chinese products…
China accused the United States of firing the first shot on Friday when the White House said that it would impose tariffs of 25% on $50 billion worth of Chinese goods.
The announcement confirms a threat first made by President Donald Trump in March and follows months of trade talks between the two sides. A truce was announced in May, but it proved short-lived.
“The United States has kept changing its mind and now launched a trade war,” China’s Commerce Ministry said in a statement.
The Chinese retaliated almost immediately by slapping a 25 percent tariff on 50 billion dollars worth of our goods…
China will slap hefty tariffs on U.S. goods in retaliation for President Trump’s decision to levy duties on $50 billion worth of Chinese imports.
Beijing will impose an additional 25 percent tariff on a total of 659 U.S. imports worth about $50 billion, according to a statement on the country’s Ministry of Finance website.
The first batch of tariffs will hit 545 U.S. products worth about $34 billion, including agricultural products, such as soybeans, corn and wheat, automobiles, beef, pork and seafood, and will start July 6.
President Trump took the weekend to think about it, and on Monday he decided to raised the stakes much higher.
If the Chinese really do go ahead with their tariffs, the Trump administration is going to hit them with a 10 percent tariff on another 200 billion dollars worth of their goods. The following is from Trump’s official statement…
This latest action by China clearly indicates its determination to keep the United States at a permanent and unfair disadvantage, which is reflected in our massive $376 billion trade imbalance in goods. This is unacceptable. Further action must be taken to encourage China to change its unfair practices, open its market to United States goods, and accept a more balanced trade relationship with the United States.
Therefore, today, I directed the United States Trade Representative to identify $200 billion worth of Chinese goods for additional tariffs at a rate of 10 percent. After the legal process is complete, these tariffs will go into effect if China refuses to change its practices, and also if it insists on going forward with the new tariffs that it has recently announced. If China increases its tariffs yet again, we will meet that action by pursuing additional tariffs on another $200 billion of goods. The trade relationship between the United States and China must be much more equitable.
If China does not match each round of tariffs they will look weak, and if Trump does not keep raising the ante every time China matches him then he will look weak.
So where will this end?
Ultimately the goal is more balanced trade with China, which would mean more jobs and more factories here in the United States.
But in the short-term we won’t see any of that.
Instead, all we are going to see is tremendous pain.
First of all, you should expect to see higher prices on any products that are made in China. This is going to hit consumers that shop at Wal-Mart and the dollar stores particularly hard.
Secondly, any companies that sell products in China are going to be hurting. It is inevitable that some will start laying off workers, and that means that there will be job losses here in the United States.
And even the expectation of lower profits will send stock prices tumbling. In fact, we already started to see this happen on Monday…
Major American companies that generate a significant chunk of their sales from China, such as Boeing (BA), Caterpillar (CAT), Intel (INTC) and 3M (MMM), were among the losers on the Dow on Monday.
The Dow has fallen nearly 1.5% in the past week and is close to erasing its gains for the year. If a global trade war breaks out and slows economies around the world, it could bring an end to the bull market that has raged for more than nine years.
In the short-term, nothing good is going to come out of this trade war.
And even in the mid-term, the pain is going to far, far outweigh any benefits.
This is why a trade war should always be a last resort. As much as possible should be accomplished through negotiations, and it is unclear if negotiations were utilized as extensively as they could have in this case.
If China wants to play hardball, they could start dumping U.S. Treasuries or cut off our access to rare earth elements. If they pulled either trigger, our level of pain would instantly be multiplied.
We can definitely hurt China too, but we do not have any magic bullets that will force them to yield.
Once a trade war begins, it can potentially last for many years, and let us not forget that history has shown us that trade wars can often lead to shooting wars.
I believe that a tragic strategic mistake has been made, and this is not going to end well.
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Michael Snyder is a nationally syndicated writer, media personality and political activist. He is the author of four books including The Beginning Of The End and Living A Life That Really Matters.
Michael T. Snyder is a graduate of the University of Florida law school and he worked as an attorney in the heart of Washington D.C. for a number of years.Today, Michael is best known for his work as the publisher of The Economic Collapse Blog and The American Dream.
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57 Comments...
People should concentrate their thinking on what it would do to China more than on what it would do to the US.
Also, no one even seems to be willing to consider how it might benefit the US, with a return to making our own goods instead of importing Chinese ones, for some reason.
Anonymous and Mensa, you guys ROCK ! Glad to see critical thinking on this site. China needs us because they have a billion + population to keep working. We dont buy Chinese goods,the Chinese people don’t work,they don’t work,they become restless. And your absolutely correct,WE need to start producing.
NOW watch manufacturing jobs in the USA Sour to new heights. After decades of China dumping cheap junk on our shores for Walmart and Amazon, that will come to an end. Time to ship some US Goods over to ChinaMart in all those unused shipping containers. Trump is right, the US has been abused and robbed for decades. Like $700+ Billion a year in Trade Deficits. Our wealth was pouring out of the US to overseas. Buy Local Shop Local and Support USA Made Products.
China dumped but the sheeple made it possible. But, rest, I agree. Prez Trump is brilliant and has compassion but sometimes complex to understand his motives. Loved hi s speech today!
You are correct.
I can not think of ONE product that we need to import. No one.
We don’t need ANYTHING from the rest of the world. They need us.
We need to start acting like the Romans that we are. F the rest of these dirt back shithole nations. As long as we don’t slam our foot down on their dirty ignorant faces, these idiots will misbehave.
It is America’s burden to control these fools.
WE DON’T NEED THEM.
Centurion, I don’t buy the junk period so it doesn’t even faze me.
I quit buying Chinese products years ago and I’m doing just fine. Chinese merchandise is poor quality goods. I’d rather pay more for quality than something that is not going to last. Yes the world needs America, we don’t need them. Who do they call on to be the first line of defense when trouble happens? Who has excelled in every possible field of science and manufacturing and has contributed to every other country’s advancement? If the Chinese are so smart, then why are they stealing from the USA? We have give in to the Chinese long enough; time to take a stand, no matter what.
So we won’t be able to buy cheap sh!t for a little while. Would that be so bad for us to get away form material junk for a while?
This country went to war because of tariffs, and we won. I’m sure I read that somewhere. This “trade war” is not gonna cripple our economy, in the long run we will be stronger.
“Trade wars are easy to win.”
Well it sure as hell will put Walmart, Home depot and the other big box stores that have 80% of their inventory made in China out of business. Maybe this is the only way, a painful way, to get our manufacturing back on its feet.
Cures are often painful.
Yes they are. And the best thing all of us can do is stop buying Chinese products of any kind.
The problem with that is most all products, no matter where they are made, contains Chinese parts. You buy Chinese every time you make a purchase, so the trade war will drive up prices on everything.
Hence the pain of the cure.
“Stop buying Chinese products of any kind”
Well then let’s be sure not to buy anything the Trumps sell, like Ivanka’s line of clothing, shoes and purses all made in China, and don’t buy anything Donald Trump himself sells, such as his MAGA merchandise. All made in China. Hypocrites.
Anyone who can’t see the hypocrisy here is a hypocrite and just doesn’t know it.
The problem is you can’t get anything made here in the U.S anymore unless you start the manufacturing process yourself. The material (cloth) for our military is made in China and imported here to be sewn into uniforms. You can buy American made jeans for 80 bucks a pair but I’d put money on it that the denim is made off shore. We no longer have the basic processes in place to produce anything in this country, it’s not Hypocrisy it’s necessity!
So true about the cloth. As an avid seamstress, embroiderer and quilter, I can tell you that much of what’s on the shelves is made in China. Some comes from other areas as well but nearly nothing is made in the US, whereas years back much of it was loomed in North Carolina.
It has always seemed so wrong to create patriotic items with cloth from outside the USA.
There is some being made in the USA. A small sewing shop I patronize does have some on its shelves.
Well then do the best we can to avoid buying the Chinese shit, you fuckhead.
Menzo,if this site still had thumbs up/down, I would wear out the thumbs up
Southside, sometimes I wish we had those thumbs up/down back too. I used to wear them out, especially on the trolls, LOL.
Menzo, as long as we can get the kind of results we want from the cure, the pain is worth it.
Mr. Anonymous is just plain ignorant.
There are other countries that export goods. Look for them, they exist. For instance I buy my dishes from Italy or Brazil. I’ll do without or make it myself before I buy from China.
I honestly beleive wee need it severely. A major correction it may seem spiteful like cutting your nose off to spite your face but in the long run will set things right both here and abroad.
Poor Michael Snyder. All that work in the Idaho House seat race and only finished 5th out of 7 with 10.5% of the vote. Here’s a clue – you’re not a Mormon, Michael. They are.
But he was on Jim Bakker’s TV show a lot. Doesn’t that count for anything? Ha.
China has been enjoying trade surpluses with the United States thanks in part to Walmart shoppers. They have invested these surpluses in developing infrastructure as well as increased military forces. Some of these investments have been bad but most have not. When you invest in infrastructure, you invest in future growth. We’re not even maintaining the infrastructure we currently have. Who owns the future?
The mistake that has been made, is that we have allowed China to get it over on us for decades. Yes, it has brought us cheaper goods. But it has been at the expense of American industry and jobs.
Trump is attempting to level that playing field, and yes…..it is going to be painful. Snyder believes it to be a mistake to engage China in this manner. Well……what does he think SHOULD have been done? Because continuing the policies of the last 40 years has only served to make us weaker, and China stronger.
As has been said, sometimes the cure is painful. But it may very well be necessary.
Take a deep breath and let our President Trump do what he knows best. We need a balanced trade with china… We will prevail for we are a Great Republic One nation under God.
Great to see XI stand up to this dotard and tit for tat him every step of the way. Maybe XI can do more as well to help bankrupt the exceptional ones. Thats what I would do.
“This latest action by China clearly indicates its determination to keep the United States at a permanent and unfair disadvantage…”
They sacrifice their people to slavery, and their capitol has air pollution, to the point of low visibility.
Aren’t you creating more of a demand, for those production standards, here?
Also, in what respect does this settle the national debt, no matter how odious.
Take a deep breath and let our President do what he knows best. We need a balanced trade with china.
IMHO this is a great idea. Take the pain now. And as far as being short of Rare Earth’s, for the military, a very few of the windmills will provide all they need at almost a ton per wind mill we have plenty.
Blue collar workers were wiped out over the last twenty years or so. Financially. If this gives American workers a chance, then I’m not against the plan. However, we must secure the borders or perish.
While these Asians are known to be hard headed (see two atomic bombs BEFORE the ultimate surrender in WWII) they will capitulate before we feel much pain at all. If it brings the Walmarts and the Dollar Stores back to competing with local merchants and recreates manufacturing jobs to regain our middle class it will be worth what little pain we endure
I’m still waiting on Snyder’s total economic collapse by the end of 2015 to happen. I think he is more re worried about things going well, then he can’t peddle his fear porn anymore.
My apologies to anyone if I use too strong language. What with all this “migrant” seeking asylum,politicians who don’t give a damn about us,corrupt law enforcement, I’m in a VERY bad mood. In fact,I’m in a fightin’ mood,and don’t give a good damn who I’m gonna be fightin’. It’s the accumalated frustration of knowing we’re being screwed,and no outlet to vent it.
My apologies to anyone if I use too strong language. What with all this “migrant” seeking asylum,politicians who don’t give a damn about us,corrupt law enforcement, I’m in a VERY bad mood. In fact,I’m in a fightin’ mood,and don’t give a good damn who I’m gonna be fightin’. It’s the accumalated frustration of knowing we’re being screwed,and no outlet to vent it.
This is bad language? Do you need an example?
B, I try to watch MY language. I dont care about anyone else’s
The trade war was started by China many years ago.
I’m saving up to buy those American-made jeans.Only $250 a pair. And the factory might employ 15 people.R-R-R-I-I-I-I-G-G-G-H-H-H-T-T-T.
Products made in the USA are of such superior quality that they are more cost efficient than poor quality products made in many third world Countries, as well as China.
Bring back manufacturing and life here will return to normal, if and only if, we stop allowing ourselves to be invaded by foreigners. It is insane being the world’s biggest door mat.
If you don’t want to be walked on, get up off the floor.
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You are so right. Even the people who work in the American blue jean factory won’t be able to afford the jeans.A tariff is a tax, and you can’t tax your way to prosperity.
We’ve been in a trade war for decades. We’re just no longer being the passive participant we’ve been under the long train of globalist administrations. The fear mongers are always going to worry about the price of anything that interferes with an easy life. That’s just life.
Meanwhile, let’s not forget China’s situation. They’ve had tiny apartments crammed with 8 to a dozen young male college graduates with no jobs. They have had a shortage of women for these young men to marry thanks to social policies. A significant portion of their economy depends on the US markets. Their population is exploding, while Russia’s is decreasing in the Russian far East. Russia can’t even convince its own people to move there by offering them a couple acres for free, and farmers can’t survive without hiring Chinese help. The Chinese are heavily vested in agriculture and timber in Russia and in their North and Northwest regions, the Chinese are needing space for their growing population.
Russia sees the threat. The Chinese have built rail lines to the border where there are no rails to link to on the Russian side. Chinese companies are entering Russia and funding infrastructure. They’re not going to be able to pursue long term strategic aims locked in a trade war with the USA for long periods.
Will prices rise in the US for consumers. Sure. That’s the markets at work. We will recover some manufacturing of a necessity. Will farmers and ranchers be able to sell their goods? Sure. Will prices be impacted, sure. So China boycotts US soybeans and buys from Brazil…who benefits? Brazil’s soybean production is in the tank, so Brazil will be buying from US farmers to sell to China and for use in their own domestic market.
Russia and China are more likely to find themselves in conflict over space, timber, and ethnic/cultural survival than in any conflict with the USA, generally speaking. Because of that, neither can bear prolonged sanctions or trade wars.
Meanwhile, with the EU sinking into a mire of crime, violence, Islamic conquest and growing debt, there are benefits to a trade war. Just in the past 24 hours, the prices of villas across Europe dropped significantly for American expats and investors. Hasn’t been this good of an opportunity to buy European or Canadian property in a long while. Yeah, some throwaway goods and food will be more expensive–but other possibilities open up. A trade war is bad if you’re intent on clinging to the status quo as it barrels over a cliff, but the smart thing is to let it go and embrace the new paradigm/reality. It’s not like China is the only producer of goods in the world.
Your analysis seems right to me. As for throw-away goods, we need less of those anyway because our dumps and landfills are overflowing. If we as a society become less enamored with disposable goods, it’s possible we will eventually find we have more money in our pocket.
If China won’t receive agricultural goods, perhaps this will force Monsanto (and others) to halt their GMO crop production since many areas of the world refuse to import certain US grains/seeds due to concerns over them.
Rare earth elements, despite their name, are actually not rare and are found around the world. China merely found a niche to exploit and the world went along with it.
Gots to start somewhere. Been getting our rears kicked for decades. When the going gets tough, the tough get going. Are we Americans or not?
Sounds like business opportunity in the making for America.
Why does it say “America’s trade war with China”. They started it decades ago. We have the right to defend our country.
It seems to me that China is the shop keeper and the US is its best customer.
The customer can take hid busines elsewhere, and the shopkeeper has lost his BEST customer. There are many more shopkeepers about only too willing to build factories and produce cheaper prices. Just ask japan!A worker with a starving family will work for $5 a day if he can feed his family for %3.
I recently bought a socket designed to drive grounding rods into the earth. It was made in Germany and sold under the Milwaukee brand. The quality of the socket was evident in the hardness of the steel. Compared to the junk that most Americans settle for, it was awesome. It definitely cost more but with so many wrenches and sockets that don’t last, it was worth the extra money. The typical American consumer is badly educated about what is possible and settle for low quality.
Well these actions sure seem to align with the visions ive been seeing lately: China invading US. Muslims too. Add Ruskies,UN, and economic collapse, natural disasters, planet x system, n nukes n you got one helluva end of age show. C u on the other side. For all whomever call the om the name of the Lord Jesus shall be saved; Romans.
Decades of idiot politicians giving the store (USA FAIR TRADE) away and main stream media fools can do nothing but complain. Correcting the treason of the past will be painful but necessary. Slam the real culprits – the a**holes in congress & past Presidents that ceded our wealth to other nations.
(US) Americans….they huff and they puff, but have no clue. Those perceived jobs will never come back…oh some will…as robots, made in China. JUSA will be the big loser, speeding up its demise with the world breathing a sigh of relief.Any excess dollars those “enemy” countries made, went usually into JUSA treasuries keeping the dollar ponzi scheme alive. Good luck with that in the future….LOLOL.
1. Whatever you tax is discouraged.2. We make the mistake of taxing work instead of taxing consumption, so the Chinese made goods have no tax built into their prices, and that, as well as the low labor and overhead costs in China make their cost structure dramatically lower.3. If we would shift our tax structure from work to consumption it would discourage wasteful consumption and encourage Americans to work harder. At the same time it would lower the cost of American made goods by the amount of consumption tax paid (none now) on the imported goods, at the same time at least leveling the playing field a fraction.4. I agree we have been utterly stupid to allow our politicians to sell out our jobs the past 50 years, and need to get to trade that is TRADE, ie balanced (last I heard we buy $10 of Chinese goods for every $1 we sell to them), and I think that every year we don’t stop it, the inevitable collapse of a make almost nothing, and import to consume economy looms larger as a result. I don’t like the tariffs, but a continuation of the sellout is even larger folly.5. Trump’s history had been to bankrupt every company he ran and walk away richer himself. Will he do it again to the shareholders of the USA? That’s my bet.
1. Whatever you tax is discouraged.2. We make the mistake of taxing work instead of taxing consumption, so the Chinese made goods have no tax built into their prices, and that, as well as the low labor and overhead costs in China make their cost structure dramatically lower.3. If we would shift our tax structure from work to consumption it would discourage wasteful consumption and encourage Americans to work harder. At the same time it would lower the cost of American made goods by the amount of consumption tax paid (none now) on the imported goods, at the same time at least leveling the playing field a fraction.4. I agree we have been utterly stupid to allow our politicians to sell out our jobs the past 50 years, and need to get to trade that is TRADE, ie balanced (last I heard we buy $10 of Chinese goods for every $1 we sell to them), and I think that every year we don’t stop it, the inevitable collapse of a make almost nothing, and import to consume economy looms larger as a result. I don’t like the tariffs, but a continuation of the sellout is even larger folly.5. Trump’s history had been to bankrupt every company he ran and walk away richer himself. Will he do it again to the shareholders of the USA? That’s my bet.
2009 - 2020 Golden Nugget to Chinese Success: Why Best Buy Failed | Bytes of Rice
Best Buy is shuttering up its windows and moving out, a defeat on the heels of Home Depot’s similar move out. Home Depot’s model was to have expert salestaff who could show their target demographic, couples with time on their hands, how to cheaply do remodels using Home Depot supplies. This model failed because in China it is much cheaper to buy supplies wholesale and use the vast migrant labor force for any building projects.
Where Home Depot failed was in thinking they could compete on price in labor. In the US labor is expensive so do-it-yourself is cheaper, even when the supplies aren’t. Best Buy was competing on price within consumer goods though. So why did Best Buy fail? The reason is closely related to the challenges my good friend faces in wine imports. He imports South American wines, which are considerably cheaper than continental, and highly regarded in the US. In China however, Napa won’t sell before Naples, and Buenos Aries bows to Bordeaux. Just as the wealthy have built gated condo communities outside of major cities, China is eager to import the cache of true European luxury. “Taste” is only relevant to label choice.
It would seem Best Buy targeted the same demographic, middle to slightly affluent Chinese consumers. So what is China’s middle class? According to Key Indicators for Asia and the Pacific 2010, “middle class” in China is defined as a daily consumption of $2-20. A latte in China is comparable to the US, even at Starbucks ripoffs. Clothing is considerable cheaper, although the middle class prefer foreign brands which on nearly on par in price with brands targeting middle class consumers here. Foreign brand electronics in China are also similarly priced to discourage black market selling.
Now ask yourself, if you could only spend $600 a month, minus utilities and phone bills, would you spend $200 on a DVD player? Or a $700 tablet? And if you were going to buy a tablet, would you buy the Korean rip-off (Samsung), or would you go over to the Apple store to get the considerably cheaper $500 iPad, which has far more cache? Or, given the option and loose IP protection, would you buy a $250 black market iPad? When Best Buy first opened they had inhouse Apple stores. Apple soon opened their own stores. This erased Best Buy’s main offering: Access to the same luxury goods as foreigners coveted.
A Chinese citizen equivalent in age to American Baby Boomers, grew up during Mao’s “5 year plan” fiascos. They entered the job market only as Deng Xiaoping was just opening up the country to foreign businesses interested primarily in the Chinese labor force. They were exposed to foreign technology and design as a superior model, and with Gen X, began the transition away from the old propaganda claiming China was superior economically and developmentally. Chinese consumers themselves absorbed the negative stereotype of “Made in China” products. Just as we once equated French imports as “luxury goods”, China has equated Western imports with luxury.
Today’s Chinese Millennials have a lot more pride in their country and its potential. They emerged from universities during and in the wake of September 11th and Wall Street’s fall. They saw the US, and the West, as debt ridden, overweight and academically lazy countries whose time had come. The economic crisis however has hit China too. These same bright Millennials, often already sporting Masters, have had difficulty finding work in China’s urban centers. They’ve been nicknamed the “Ant” tribe, for the way they live in dilapidated apartment buildings, feasting on ramen and the dreams they were once spoonfed of a better China.
Unlike the US Millennials who have “returned to the nest” in droves, many of the Ant tribe do not have wealthy parents to live off. At least not “wealthy” by American standards. They also wrangle more with the Asian values of saving face and have taken up jobs as waitresses, cleaning people, delivery boys in order to continue to live in the urban centers they’ve grown accustomed too. Bottom line: GenY Chinese don’t have disposable income for fancy imported electronics.
For those who do have money, the prestige of having foreign goods is much more blunt than in America. A “preppy” revolution in the eighties in America separated the emerging middle class with the older affluent families. Taste was defined by subtle branding, classic looks and higher quality goods. The nouveau riche were more likely to be “blinged” out, favoring prominent logos, flashy cars and large homes. This trend continued as a widening middle class attempted to “keep up” adding on more debt and leading to the economic crisis. In China there were few “old families” besides those associated with the government. The majority of Chinese middle class and affluents are nouveau riche. The result is a culture where having an “LV” bag is every girl’s dream.
Now a winning example, because I wouldn’t be worth my stuff without giving some positive advice for success in China. KFC was one of the first movers into China. They came in with a cheap, but yummy product, and a business model which competed predominantly on price. Unlike Home Depot or Best Buy, KFC was quick to recognize they were dealing with an entirely different demographic, and needed to change their business model. Marketing and business are inextricably tied, and one of the best value adds your marketing teams can give you is feedback on your brand and the product itself from consumers.
What KFC discovered was Chinese consumers coming out of the bad years considered meat a luxury. They saw KFC, a foreign brand, as a luxury product. At $2 for one serving, equal to the total daily expenditure of the lower middle class today and of much of the upper class when KFC first entered China, KFC was a splurge. So KFC completely changed their store model, creating a middle class dining experience. They altered some of the menu to cater to Chinese tastes, (they put corn in everything, even pastries and yogurt, totally gross), and kept their prices comparable with the US so they weren’t competing there. In effect KFC sold an aspirational lifestyle which had no relation to their American consumers. They paved the way for other US fastfood chains, and to this day foreigners are more likely to be invited to a KFC at least once during their stay in China, over McDonald’s, Subway or any other foreign brand.
So my advice to companies trying to follow in the wasteland of failed foreign brands: Throw out what you know. Do your homework, focus on the goal, making money, and reconsider what your selling. Looking at what you’re selling from the Chinese consumer’s perspective is all the difference. For Home Depot they were selling expensive materials. For Best Buy they were selling marked up, mostly Asian-made electronics you couldn’t haggle for. For KFC they were selling the experience of an American lifestyle and with foods catering to local tastes. And remember: China doesn’t want cheap America. China made cheap America.
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For companies not interested in entering China: Same rules. If you’re sitting in your Mad Ave office ruminating on how to reach Midwestern Moms, and considering staging an “event” in Times Square, because there will probably be some tourists there: STOP NOW. Go back to your product. Go back to your market research (assuming you did your homework), and look at your product from those consumers’ perspective. Will this make my life easier? Will this impress the neighbors? (Who live on Park Street not Park Ave.) Can I, the Midwestern supermom see myself in this scenario? Is there an alternative currently in my life which makes your product or brand seem redundant? My mom bought an iPhone because she saw me finding directions to a restaurant on it.
When selling local, think like a local.
Due to the boom of E-commerce in China more and more Chinese consumers are used to buy things online. Wage rise and the new generation who has open-eyes prefer to buy things overseas. So it becomes a new business Daigou.
In the beginning, it’s just luxury products. Because of high imported tax people only need to pay half or less than half to buy a same item overseas than in local boutique. It’s only a favor between friends and with the growth of E-commerce namely Taobao in China, more and more people who live oversea open online store in Taobao platform and earn money.
Gradually, it becomes a business and there are people who hire aboard students to join the business as well. The famous “Sanlu” milk issue hit the young mothers’ nerve and nobody dare to let their baby to drink local milk. Things became worse especially regarding baby foods. The whole issue boom the expand of “daigou” in another way. Some company and overseas milk brands seize the opportunity and start their business in China.
The war begans. There are so many companies who focus on the business to sell imported products like “mitao”, “JD haiwai Tao””Tmall Haitao” etc.
However, it occurs a big problem: too many fake products showed in the market, from food to clothes. People become nervous again, don’t know which platform they can trust again.
So, this is another opportunity for you to start your business in China. With your own brand and customer service, people would like to trust your brand more than buy things from online platform owned by a Chinese people. Once we build a good reputation in the beginning it will be easier for us to expand our business in China and our customers will help to promote our marketing as well.
Another good news is that Chinese government do your a favor as well. Since “daigou” is so crazy in China that the government issue a politic to limit the personal items who can bring back from overseas. People have to pay extra taxes for excess items.
If you seriously consider to run your E-commerce in China, be aware that the rules are quite different between China and other countries like EU or USA. Study your competitors and play the game like a local people.
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